This Podcast is created and curated by Deepak Jayaraman (an Executive Coach and a Leadership Advisor). He lives in Mumbai and works with successful Senior Executives by helping them play to their unique potential but with a sharp focus on transitions (business or career). Just like businesses need to think about "where to play" and "how to win", leaders need to be coherent about "where to go" and "how to grow" in their journeys. Deepak works with them during pivotal moments to help them with ...
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674: 100.00 Christopher Clarey on Roger Federer's journey
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GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have overtaken him in terms of the overall Grand Slams won, when there is a discussion about the Greatest of All Time (GOAT), all fingers very often still point to Roger. One could attribute that to his fluidity, his charm on and off court, his longevi…
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673: 100.01 Christopher Clarey - Signs of early potential
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about how people were talking about Roger’s potential when he was just 13 or 14. He speaks about how Regis Brunet saw Roger in action in Florida and then immediately ran to the payphone to get hold of Roger’s parents back in Switzerland. GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and…
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673: 1000.2 Christopher Clarey - Parenting influences on Roger
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris discusses Robert and Lynette’s parenting style on Roger. Not putting the child on a pedestal given his precocity, having goals to de-risk the path, handing out consequences when the child crosses the line and so on. He speaks about how they emphasized as much on raising a good human being as being committed to his growth as a t…
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673: 100.03 Christopher Clarey - Roger's curiosity and empathy
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about Roger’s curiosity and empathy when he met somebody. He speaks about how he would always be curious about where the other person was coming from before getting into tactical matters of business. GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have overtaken him in te…
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673: 100.04 Christopher Clarey - Managing down-time between rallies
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about the fact that players often have 60-70% of match-time when they are not playing a point where they have to channel their focus and attention. He speaks about how Roger managed these periods of time. GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have overtaken him …
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673: 100.05 Christopher Clarey - Secret to Roger's longevity
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about Roger’s ability to context switch instantaneously from one situation to another. He also speaks about how Roger decided to declutter his plate by choosing to play fewer tournaments when he knew that he could get the ATP points he needed by doing will in lesser number of tournaments. GUEST Roger Federer is somebody …
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673: 100.06 Christopher Clarey - How Roger picked his Coaches
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about how Roger thought about his Coaches at various points in time and how he moved from Peter Carter to Peter Lundgren to Tony Roche to Paul Annacone to Stefan Edberg to Ivan Lubicic while having Severin Luthi as a constant in his team. He speaks about his judgment on some of these matters over his career. GUEST Roger …
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673: 100.07 Christopher Clarey - Bouncing back from a rough patch
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about how Roger came back from different phases of his career when he was having a rough patch. He speaks about how, at each of those inflection points, his career could have taken a nosedive. GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have overtaken him in terms of …
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673: 100.08 Christopher Clarey - Roger the businessman
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris discusses how Roger earned about USD 125 Million in prize money but more than USD 1 Billion in earnings. He says that this multiple is quite rare in Sporting elite circles. Chris speaks about some of Roger’s traits as a businessman. GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nada…
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673: 100.09 Christopher Clarey - In Summary – Playing to Potential
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about his take on the term – Play to Potential. He also says that whether somebody is playing to his or her potential is a matter of perspective and opinion. He says that Gunter Bresnik (a reputed coach from Austria) thinks that Roger should have won many more Grand Slams and he possibly didn’t quite play to his full pot…
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673: 100.10 Christopher Clarey - Sowing the seeds for the next innings
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NUGGET CONTEXT Chris speaks about how Roger thought about success at various points in time but at the same time was sowing the seeds for his next innings of his life (e.g., the connect with Bill Gates in the context of his Foundation). GUEST Roger Federer is somebody who needs no introduction. While, Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have overtaken …
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672: 99.00 Michiel Kruyt on Deliberate Calm - How to Learn and Lead in a Volatile World
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GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams develop future fit leadership and company vision. He had a fifteen-year career at McKinsey and Co, where he was a partner focusing on top team effectiveness, large-scale transformations and culture change. He helped many top teams around the world increase their abi…
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672: 99.01 Michiel Kruyt - HUL to McKinsey to Transformation Work
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about the arc of his journey and how he shifted trajectories over time and over time his interests and passions shifted from Sales, Marketing and General Management at Unilever to driving Personal Transformation at McKinsey and beyond. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams …
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672: 99.02 Michiel Kruyt - Pausing to Reinvent
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about how he takes various retreats (3 days, 10 days, 6 months etc) at various points in time and how that often creates the space for new things to emerge. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams develop future fit leadership and company vision. He had a fifteen-year career …
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672: 99.03 Michiel Kruyt - Learning Zone vs Protective Zone
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about how our behaviour comes in the way of our learning when the stakes become higher. He speaks about the link between how team members listen and the link with learning. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams develop future fit leadership and company vision. He had a fift…
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672: 99.04 Michiel Kruyt - Accessing your Skylight
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about how leaders can access their skylight and what rituals they can build before, during and after an event. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams develop future fit leadership and company vision. He had a fifteen-year career at McKinsey and Co, where he was a partner foc…
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672: 99.05 Michiel Kruyt - Ladder of Self-Awareness
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about the different levels of Self-Awareness and speaks about how we can slowly move up the ladder. 1) Bliss or Ignorance 2) Delayed Awareness. 3) Perceptive 4) Resilient 5) Adaptive. He speaks about the timing of when things come to our attention and our ability to regulate ourselves. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMA…
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672: 99.06 Michiel Kruyt - The infiniteness of Purpose
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about how Ambition can be a finite resource which could empty at some point in time but Purpose can be a perennially replenishing driving force if we tune into it. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams develop future fit leadership and company vision. He had a fifteen-year …
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672: 99.07 Michiel Kruyt - Criticality of recovery
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about the criticality of rest and recovery for a leader to be effective. He speaks about how the recovery period could actually spark some creativity and new possibilities. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive teams develop future fit leadership and company vision. He had a fift…
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672: 99.08 Michiel Kruyt - Collective Icebergs and Team Dominos
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NUGGET CONTEXT Michiel speaks about how in a team, we can have a chain reaction where people end up triggering each other and that could really be counter-productive. He speaks about how teams can collectively access “mini – balcony moments” to deal with these situations. GUEST Michiel Kruyt is CEO of IMAGINE, an advisory boutique helping executive…
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671: 98.00 Jeffrey Pfeffer on 7 Rules on of Power - Uncut
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GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Authored or Authored 16 books, the last one being, 7 Rules of Power. He is in the Thinkers 50 Hall of Fame, a list that celebrate the all-time greats in the world of Business that are moving the world forward with their original ideas. We spoke at length about his recent book…
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671: 98.01 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Autonomy vs Power
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how he came around to studying Power. He also goes on to speak about the kinds of career choices he has made and what he has said No to over time as his Power increased over time. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Authored or Authored 16 books, the last one being, 7 Rules o…
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671: 98.02 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Power and Value Neutrality
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how nuclear energy can be a boon if used to generate electricity but could be a bane if it is used to make a bomb that kills people. Jeffrey goes on to say that context determines if something is good or bad and says that Power works in a similar fashion. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since …
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671: 98.03 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Implication of being judgmental
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how being judgmental comes in the way of learning and can drive people away from us. He speaks about how Steve Jobs, Donald Trump and Elon Musk wielded power but as a result had a lot of attrition around them. He also speaks about how we may not have the right to tell somebody else what they ought to do but we po…
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671: 98.04 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Projecting Power vs Humility
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how the opposite of humility might be something like Narcissism. He also speaks about Jim Collins work around Level 5 Leadership where he speaks about combining Modesty with Fierce Determination. Jeffrey says that some of these leaders become modest after they become leaders but not on the way to the top. GUEST J…
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671: 98.05 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Higher Power and Poorer Signals
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how, when people become more powerful, they stop getting meaningful feedback given the power dynamic. He also speaks about how we all need to get out of own way by reminding ourselves behind the “Why” behind accumulating greater Power. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Auth…
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671: 98.06 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Vulnerability and Power
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how one needs to be careful about showing vulnerability while climbing the Corporate Ladder. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Authored or Authored 16 books, the last one being, 7 Rules of Power. He is in the Thinkers 50 Hall of Fame, a list that celebrate the all-time grea…
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671: 98.07 Jeffrey Pfeffer - True to which Self?
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about being true to oneself as a limiting construct. He says that by being true to some version of self in the past, we might be limiting our possibilities. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Authored or Authored 16 books, the last one being, 7 Rules of Power. He is in the Thinker…
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671: 98.08 Jeffrey Pfeffer - Warmth Vs Competence
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how we need to be careful about how we signal our warmth vs how we project our competence especially in situations where people are meeting you for the first time. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Authored or Authored 16 books, the last one being, 7 Rules of Power. He is i…
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671: 98.09 Jeffrey Pfeffer - IKEA effect and Escalation of Commitment
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NUGGET CONTEXT Jeffrey speaks about how one could think about engaging people and creating a certain stickiness to the commitment they make as a result. He uses the example of Jon Levy and the concept of Influencer Dinners that he organizes. GUEST Jeffrey Pfeffer has been teaching at Stanford since 1979. He has Co-Authored or Authored 16 books, the…
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670: Top 10 Insights from 2022
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Merry Christmas and Best wishes for 2023! As we wind down 2022, we share the Highlights from the year gone by. If you have been following the podcast, you would appreciate that we are offering the Podcast as a service. All the content is free and there is no advertising on our podcast. If you are deriving value from the podcast, this festive season…
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669: 97.00 David Bradford on Connect - Building Exceptional Relationships with Family, Friends and Colleagues
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GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called as Touchy Feely by many) at Stanford for over 50 years. He has distilled some of his learnings and insight from these five decades in a recently published book titled – Connect: Building Exceptional Relationships with Family, Friends and Colleagues. It is al…
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669: 97.01 David Bradford - Markers of an "exceptional" relationship
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NUGGET CONTEXT David shares 6 markers of what he calls as “Exceptional Relationship”. 1) You can be more fully yourself and so can the other person. 2) Both of you are willing to be vulnerable 3) You trust that self-disclosures will not be used against you 4) You can be honest with each other 5) You deal with conflict productively 6) Both of you ar…
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669: 97.02 David Bradford - Healthy feedback - not crossing the net
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about how there are three realities in any conversation between A and B. 1) A’s intent 2) A’s behaviour 3) Impact of A’s behaviour on B. A can see 1 and 2 and B can see 2 and 3. The challenge often happens when A makes up a story about 3 or B makes up a story about 1. David likens this to how we play tennis and urges us …
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669: 97.03 David Bradford - Idea to behavioural change
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about why it is often so hard for us to stay on the same side of the net. He links that to our tendency to go for the simple plausible story and build misplaced conviction around it. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called as Touchy Feely by many) at Stanford for over 5…
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669: 97.04 David Bradford - Building an emotional vocabulary
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about how critical it is for us to tune into what we are feeling at various points in the day. Not just for the surges in emotions but the mild emotions that are often humming in us through our day that we may not be present to. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called a…
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669: 97.05 David Bradford - Deepening the trust in a relationship
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about how he starts with a trusting posture in a relationship and how that could help us build a positive spiral of mutual trust and enhanced disclosure in a relationship. He also speaks about the nuance in the language he uses when he raises issues if there are any hiccups along the way. GUEST David has been teaching th…
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669: 97.06 David Bradford - Nuances in giving good feedback
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about the limitations of the feedback sandwich where the detailed negative feedback is often sandwiched between cursory positive feedback. He speaks about a better way of delivering direct feedback with empathy. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called as Touchy Feely by…
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669: 97.07 David Bradford - Leaning into the messiness to move forward
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about how we can quick get embroiled in a conflict situation and we need to wade past the swamp to move to a better place. Running away from it rarely yields meaningful outcomes. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called as Touchy Feely by many) at Stanford for over 50 ye…
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669: 97.08 David Bradford - Repair and restoration of relationships
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about how at least one of the individuals needs to take responsibility to drive the repair and restoration and rejuvenation of the relationship. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called as Touchy Feely by many) at Stanford for over 50 years. He has distilled some of his …
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669: 97.09 David Bradford - Personality vs Behaviour - Understanding change
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about personality (which is often hard-wired) and behaviour (often in the realm of growth and change). He speaks about how we cannot use our personality as an excuse for our behaviour. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (informally called as Touchy Feely by many) at Stanford for over…
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669: 97.10 David Bradford - Helping kids learn interpersonal skills
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about the few things we need to bear in mind as we help build the Interpersonal muscle with the kids. He underscores a couple of themes. Firstly, he suggests that we should avoid labeling a child. Instead, he suggests that we should provide feedback on a certain element of behavior. Secondly, he urges us to legitimize th…
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669: 97.11 David Bradford - Displaying the right kind of vulnerability
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NUGGET CONTEXT David speaks about how it is important to signal the right kind of vulnerability when we work with others. He makes the distinction between vulnerability that could get people to question our competence versus vulnerability that shows others that we are human. GUEST David has been teaching the landmark Interpersonal Dynamics course (…
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668: 96.00 Ethan Kross on Chatter – The voice in our head
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GUEST Ethan is one of the world’s leading experts on controlling the conscious mind. He is an award-winning professor in the University of Michigan’s Psychology Department. His research has been featured in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New Yorker, The New England Journal of Medicine, and Science. He has recently published the bo…
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668: 96.01 Ethan Kross - Going 'inside' as a child
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NUGGET CONTEXT Ethan speaks about the role of his father in shaping his interests. He speaks about his father’s interest in the Bhagavad Gita and other elements of Easter Philosophy and how he would encourage Ethan to go inside to find the kernel of truth if something bad happens. He speaks about how some of that might have percolated down to him a…
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668: 96.02 Ethan Kross - Defining Chatter
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NUGGET CONTEXT Ethan defines the term Chatter. He uses Chatter as a term to capture the breadth of the different experiences all of which the common feature is looping over the negative thoughts, going down the rabbit hole, sucked into a vortex of negativity that won’t let you free. GUEST Ethan is one of the world’s leading experts on controlling t…
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668: 96.03 Ethan Kross - Rafael Nadal and Rituals
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NUGGET CONTEXT Ethan speaks about the role of rituals in helping us manage chatter. He goes on to speak about how Champions like Rafael Nadal take the help of rituals in managing their mind when they play tennis at the highest level. He also speaks about the role of rituals in coping with transitions. GUEST Ethan is one of the world’s leading exper…
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668: 96.04 Ethan Kross - Inner voice vs Inner chatter
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NUGGET CONTEXT Ethan speaks about the line between having negative thoughts (which can help us move forward) and Negative Chatter that get us into an unproductive never-ending loop that can prevent us from making progress. GUEST Ethan is one of the world’s leading experts on controlling the conscious mind. He is an award-winning professor in the Un…
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668: 96.05 Ethan Kross - Time travel, Distancing and Awe
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NUGGET CONTEXT Ethan speaks about some of the strategies that he uses to manage Chatter. He speaks about effectively undertaking time travel and how we can ensure that while we undertake time travel, we don’t get stuck in the time machine. He also refers to the benefits of Nature in inducing Awe and the benefit of Distance self-talk. GUEST Ethan is…
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668: 96.06 Ethan Kross - Inner voice - Zooming feature of our minds
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NUGGET CONTEXT Ethan suggests that our Mind is often functions like a lens when it looks at a situation while our Inner Voice functions like a Zoom button. We have a choice of whether we want to stay Zoomed In our Out when we deal with a situation. GUEST Ethan is one of the world’s leading experts on controlling the conscious mind. He is an award-w…