S7 Ep. 50: Thomas Frank on How the Harris-Walz Ticket Can Win Red State Voters

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Political and cultural critic Thomas Frank joins host Whitney Terrell to discuss how Democrats and Republicans courted voters from the Midwest and South at their respective conventions. Frank gives reports from the floors of both the Republican and Democratic national conventions, which he attended. He analyzes the efforts that the Trump-Vance and Harris-Walz tickets have made to attract union and working class, “red state” votes. He also reads a passage from his famed 2004 book What’s the Matter with Kansas on the origin of the terms “red state” and “blue state” and discusses the surprising staying power, and fundamental absurdity, of these categories.

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This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

Thomas Frank

• The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-populism
• What’s the Matter With Kansas: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America
• Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?
• The Conquest of Cool: Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism
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Others:

• Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut
• Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem
• Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 3, episode 22: “The Unpopular Tale of Populism: Thomas Frank on the Real History of an American Mass Movement”
• Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, episode 31: “What Do Dems Do Now? Thomas Frank on How the Left Can Counter a Rogue Supreme Court”
• David Brooks
• John Podhoretz
• Blake Hurst
• Hulk Hogan
• Kid Rock
• Ted Cruz
• Tucker Carlson
• “Acid, amnesty - and abortion: 1972 and all that” by Michael Cross | Law Society Gazette | May 4, 2022
• George McGovern
• George Wallace
• The New Deal
• Robert Reich

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