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Mum Guilt, Trauma and Systemic Inequality: DR ORINAYO ONABANJO

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This week my guest is Dr Orinayo Onabanjo, a chartered counselling psychologist with a passion for perinatal mental health. Orin's skills include helping mums cultivate stronger attachments with their babies and addressing the impact unresolved childhood trauma can have on the journey of motherhood. We chat everything from mum guilt to the racist inequalities faced by black and brown parents in the UK maternity system.

*TRIGGER WARNING: Birth Trauma and PTSD*

IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

[00:00] Teaser quote.

[01:46] Introducing Orin.

[04:12] How Orin helps new parents.

[04:45] The identity change and adjustment that occurs when you become a parent.

[13:03] The relationship of unresolved childhood trauma and becoming a parent.

[15:23] High expectations and the pressure to be 'super mum' or 'super dad'. The need to be more self compassionate.

[16:51] Reflecting on perfectionism and the drive to be the 'perfect' parent. The importance of self compassionate action.

[19:49] 'Good enough' parenting and mum guilt.

[23:17] Black and minority mums are 4x more likely to die in childbirth. The urgent need to look into this and better understand the black experience.

[28:05] Orin's work with healthcare providers, increasing their understanding of perinatal mental health.

[34:26] Early intervention is key.

[36:30] If you feel trauma from your birth, you have birth trauma. You don't need a formal diagnosis of it.

[37:01] The impact of being emotionally invalidated during your labour.

[39:30] How to get in touch with Orin.

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

  1. The phrase 'perinatal' refers to the period before and after having your baby.
  2. It can be difficult to adjust to your new identity, and it's okay for you to 'grieve' for the person you were before. It's a huge transition - allow yourself to time to adjust.
  3. Make Birth Better (Birth Trauma Support)
  4. You can listen to our special episode on Birth Trauma with Dr Becca Moore of Make Birth Better here.
  5. Unresolved emotional wounds from childhood trauma can reappear when you become a parent.
  6. Self care and self compassion is really important when you become a parent - it's not selfish and it helps the entire family.
  7. Listen to our special episodes on Self Compassion Part 1 and Self Compassion Part 2 with Poonam Dhuffer of YSM8.
  8. The 15 minute Loving Kindness Meditation will help you relax, reset and recharge any time you need it. You don't need to meditate - just close your eyes and listen to Poonam's words.
  9. It's not realistic to be 'perfect' - there is no such thing!
  10. Don't compare yourself to people's social media feeds - it's not a true reflection of what's really going on for them.
  11. The MBBRACE-UK Report 2020 into maternal deaths showed that black mums in the UK have 4x the risk of dying in pregnancy in comparison to a white woman.
  12. Black and minority mums are more like to have or develop mental health problems during the perinatal period and are less likely to get help.
  13. FiveXMore is dedicated to supporting mothers with its campaigning work and recommendations. It focuses on empowering Black women to make informed choices and advocate for themselves throughout their pregnancies and after childbirth.
  14. Tokophobia is the extreme fear of giving birth.
  15. Early intervention is hugely important in terms of getting help.
  16. Feeling emotionally invalidated during your labour is highly traumatising.
  17. Get in touch with Orin here

If you enjoyed this episode, please share, rate and subscribe. It really does make the difference in helping others find it – which means helping more parents in need.

Follow us:

Instagram

Twitter

Join our Facebook Group

Email: bluemumdays@gmail.com

NEXT EPISODE:

Our special Christmas episode is with Sandra Igwe, maternal health advocate, TEDx speaker and founder of the Motherhood Group. Sandra talks to me about her work raising awareness of the disparities of black women's maternal mental health outcomes and issues. She also bravely shares her own personal experience of birth trauma and motherhood.

SUPPORT:

If you are struggling right now, please know that it’s okay to talk and reach out for help.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND WILL NOT FEEL THIS WAY FOR EVER.

We hope these support services are helpful (please note we do not check or monitor them individually).

Action on Postpartum Psychosis (APP)

Moderated Forum, click here to find out more.

Email: app@app-network.org

Tel: 020 3322 9900

ADDA - the Attention Deficit Disorder Association

National Resource Center (NRC)/ADHD Helpline Health Information Specialists

866-200-8098, Monday-Friday, 1 p.m. — 5 p.m. ET

ADHD UK - peer support, created by people with ADHD for those with ADHD

The ADHD Foundation - the neurodiversity charity

Call us - 0151 541 9020

Email - info@adhdfoundation.org.uk

AIMS for better birthing.

Email: helpline@aims.org.uk

This email will go to a group of AIMS volunteers and someone will respond as soon as possible.

Telephone: +44 (0) 300 365 0663

You will be able to leave a voicemail message which will be sent to all our Helpline Volunteers. Please include your name, phone number and brief details of your enquiry. A Volunteer will try to call you back as soon as possible.

Andy's Man Club

A non-judgemental talking group for men

https://andysmanclub.co.uk/club-information/clubs/

Email: info@andysmanclub.co.uk

Association of Postnatal Illness

Helpline: 10am – 2pm – 0207 386 0868

Email: info@apni.org

Live chat online facility

Best Beginnings

Free NHS-accredited Baby Buddy app offering

evidence-based information and self-care tools to help parents during pregnancy

and early stages of parenting.

App users also have access to a confidential, text-based Crisis Messenger which provides

24/7 support for new and expectant parents who are feeling extremely anxious or overwhelmed.

Bi-Polar UK

email: info@bipolaruk.org

Birth Trauma Association

Email: support@birthtraumaassociation.org.uk

CALM

Contact CALM

on their national helpline: 0800 58 58 58 (5pm-midnight)

Cedar House Support Group

Email: lwise@talktalk.net (Liz Wise)

Mobile: 07773 283556


Contact: for families with disabled children

Support, advice and information for parents with disabled children.


Dad Matters

Support dads to have successful relationships with their families, with mental health and accessing services through peer support and signposting.

kierananders@homestarthost.org.uk

0161 344 0669

DadsNet

Offers support and knowledge through a community of dads on practical parenting and fatherhood.

Dope Black Dads

A digital safe space for fathers who wish to discuss their experiences of being black, a parent and masculinity in the modern world.

hello@dopeblack.org

Family Lives

An organisation providing immediate help from volunteer parent support workers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


Family Rights Group

Support for parents and other family members whose children are involved with or need social care services.

Fathers Reaching Out

https://www.reachingoutpmh.co.uk/

Run by Mark Williams, campaigner, speaker and writer, offering support to dads.


FiveXMore

A grassroots organisation committed to changing Black women and birthing people’s maternal health outcomes in the UK.

Email: fivexmore@gmail.com

Gingerbread

Single parents, equal families. Help and advice on the issues that matter to lone parents.


The Hub of Hope

A directory of mental health support around the UK.

LGBT Mummies

Supporting LGBT+ women & people globally on the path to motherhood or parenthood.

Email: contact@lgbtmummies.com

Make Birth Better (Birth Trauma Support)

Email: hello@makebirthbetter.org

Maternal OCD

Peer support available, email info@maternalocd.org to

arrange

Mayah's Legacy

Supporting and empowering anyone who has experienced pregnancy loss to advocate for themselves.

Email: info@bigoutreach.org

0300 102 1596

The Motherhood Group

Dedicated to sharing and supporting the black maternal experience through peer support, projects and advocacy.

info@themotherhoodgroup.com

Motivational Mums Club

Offering Trauma, Mindfulness and Meditation sessions for Mothers and Mums to be with an NHS Mental Health Specialist, who’s also a Mother.

motivationalmumsclub@gmail.com

Music Football Fatherhood

Open conversations around fatherhood, including blogs, peer support and podcasts.

hello@musicfootballfatherhood.com

Muslim Women’s Network

Helpine: 0800 999 5786, open Mon-Fri 10am –

4pm with support offered in English, Urdu, Punjabi, Mirpuri, Putwari, Hindko,

and Bengali.

Email: info@mwnhelpline.co.uk

Online chat: www.mwnhelpline.co.uk

Text: 07415 206 936

Netmums

Netmums offer peer support via their Maternal Mental Health Drop-In

Clinic.

NHS

Contact your local GP surgery.

Call the NHS on 111

or contact a local NHS urgent mental health helpline

If you are in crisis, visit Accident & Emergency at your nearest hospital.

PANDAS

Helpline open from 9am-8pm every day – 0843 2898 401

Email support available – info@pandasfoundation.org.uk

Perinatal Wellbeing Ontario

PRENATAL, PREGNANCY AND POSTPARTUM SUPPORT & CONNECTION in Canada

info@perinatalwellbeing.ca

Petals

Petals offers free-of-charge specialist counselling to anyone who has experienced pregnancy

or baby loss.

Web: petalscharity.org/counsellingcontact/

Email: counselling@petalscharity.org

Tel: 0300 688 0068

PMH Support

Scott Mair is a consultant in paternal mental health and parent education, Peer support trainer. Dad, Husband, Army veteran.

Samaritans

Tel: 116 123

(this is a free telephone number and will not appear on the phone bill)

Web: www.samaritans.org

Email: jo@samaritans.org

Sands Charity

Emotional and practical support for anyone affected by the death of a baby.

0808 164 3332

Email: helpline@sands.org.uk

Shout

Text SHOUT to 85258 to start a confidential...

  continue reading

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This week my guest is Dr Orinayo Onabanjo, a chartered counselling psychologist with a passion for perinatal mental health. Orin's skills include helping mums cultivate stronger attachments with their babies and addressing the impact unresolved childhood trauma can have on the journey of motherhood. We chat everything from mum guilt to the racist inequalities faced by black and brown parents in the UK maternity system.

*TRIGGER WARNING: Birth Trauma and PTSD*

IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

[00:00] Teaser quote.

[01:46] Introducing Orin.

[04:12] How Orin helps new parents.

[04:45] The identity change and adjustment that occurs when you become a parent.

[13:03] The relationship of unresolved childhood trauma and becoming a parent.

[15:23] High expectations and the pressure to be 'super mum' or 'super dad'. The need to be more self compassionate.

[16:51] Reflecting on perfectionism and the drive to be the 'perfect' parent. The importance of self compassionate action.

[19:49] 'Good enough' parenting and mum guilt.

[23:17] Black and minority mums are 4x more likely to die in childbirth. The urgent need to look into this and better understand the black experience.

[28:05] Orin's work with healthcare providers, increasing their understanding of perinatal mental health.

[34:26] Early intervention is key.

[36:30] If you feel trauma from your birth, you have birth trauma. You don't need a formal diagnosis of it.

[37:01] The impact of being emotionally invalidated during your labour.

[39:30] How to get in touch with Orin.

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

  1. The phrase 'perinatal' refers to the period before and after having your baby.
  2. It can be difficult to adjust to your new identity, and it's okay for you to 'grieve' for the person you were before. It's a huge transition - allow yourself to time to adjust.
  3. Make Birth Better (Birth Trauma Support)
  4. You can listen to our special episode on Birth Trauma with Dr Becca Moore of Make Birth Better here.
  5. Unresolved emotional wounds from childhood trauma can reappear when you become a parent.
  6. Self care and self compassion is really important when you become a parent - it's not selfish and it helps the entire family.
  7. Listen to our special episodes on Self Compassion Part 1 and Self Compassion Part 2 with Poonam Dhuffer of YSM8.
  8. The 15 minute Loving Kindness Meditation will help you relax, reset and recharge any time you need it. You don't need to meditate - just close your eyes and listen to Poonam's words.
  9. It's not realistic to be 'perfect' - there is no such thing!
  10. Don't compare yourself to people's social media feeds - it's not a true reflection of what's really going on for them.
  11. The MBBRACE-UK Report 2020 into maternal deaths showed that black mums in the UK have 4x the risk of dying in pregnancy in comparison to a white woman.
  12. Black and minority mums are more like to have or develop mental health problems during the perinatal period and are less likely to get help.
  13. FiveXMore is dedicated to supporting mothers with its campaigning work and recommendations. It focuses on empowering Black women to make informed choices and advocate for themselves throughout their pregnancies and after childbirth.
  14. Tokophobia is the extreme fear of giving birth.
  15. Early intervention is hugely important in terms of getting help.
  16. Feeling emotionally invalidated during your labour is highly traumatising.
  17. Get in touch with Orin here

If you enjoyed this episode, please share, rate and subscribe. It really does make the difference in helping others find it – which means helping more parents in need.

Follow us:

Instagram

Twitter

Join our Facebook Group

Email: bluemumdays@gmail.com

NEXT EPISODE:

Our special Christmas episode is with Sandra Igwe, maternal health advocate, TEDx speaker and founder of the Motherhood Group. Sandra talks to me about her work raising awareness of the disparities of black women's maternal mental health outcomes and issues. She also bravely shares her own personal experience of birth trauma and motherhood.

SUPPORT:

If you are struggling right now, please know that it’s okay to talk and reach out for help.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND WILL NOT FEEL THIS WAY FOR EVER.

We hope these support services are helpful (please note we do not check or monitor them individually).

Action on Postpartum Psychosis (APP)

Moderated Forum, click here to find out more.

Email: app@app-network.org

Tel: 020 3322 9900

ADDA - the Attention Deficit Disorder Association

National Resource Center (NRC)/ADHD Helpline Health Information Specialists

866-200-8098, Monday-Friday, 1 p.m. — 5 p.m. ET

ADHD UK - peer support, created by people with ADHD for those with ADHD

The ADHD Foundation - the neurodiversity charity

Call us - 0151 541 9020

Email - info@adhdfoundation.org.uk

AIMS for better birthing.

Email: helpline@aims.org.uk

This email will go to a group of AIMS volunteers and someone will respond as soon as possible.

Telephone: +44 (0) 300 365 0663

You will be able to leave a voicemail message which will be sent to all our Helpline Volunteers. Please include your name, phone number and brief details of your enquiry. A Volunteer will try to call you back as soon as possible.

Andy's Man Club

A non-judgemental talking group for men

https://andysmanclub.co.uk/club-information/clubs/

Email: info@andysmanclub.co.uk

Association of Postnatal Illness

Helpline: 10am – 2pm – 0207 386 0868

Email: info@apni.org

Live chat online facility

Best Beginnings

Free NHS-accredited Baby Buddy app offering

evidence-based information and self-care tools to help parents during pregnancy

and early stages of parenting.

App users also have access to a confidential, text-based Crisis Messenger which provides

24/7 support for new and expectant parents who are feeling extremely anxious or overwhelmed.

Bi-Polar UK

email: info@bipolaruk.org

Birth Trauma Association

Email: support@birthtraumaassociation.org.uk

CALM

Contact CALM

on their national helpline: 0800 58 58 58 (5pm-midnight)

Cedar House Support Group

Email: lwise@talktalk.net (Liz Wise)

Mobile: 07773 283556


Contact: for families with disabled children

Support, advice and information for parents with disabled children.


Dad Matters

Support dads to have successful relationships with their families, with mental health and accessing services through peer support and signposting.

kierananders@homestarthost.org.uk

0161 344 0669

DadsNet

Offers support and knowledge through a community of dads on practical parenting and fatherhood.

Dope Black Dads

A digital safe space for fathers who wish to discuss their experiences of being black, a parent and masculinity in the modern world.

hello@dopeblack.org

Family Lives

An organisation providing immediate help from volunteer parent support workers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


Family Rights Group

Support for parents and other family members whose children are involved with or need social care services.

Fathers Reaching Out

https://www.reachingoutpmh.co.uk/

Run by Mark Williams, campaigner, speaker and writer, offering support to dads.


FiveXMore

A grassroots organisation committed to changing Black women and birthing people’s maternal health outcomes in the UK.

Email: fivexmore@gmail.com

Gingerbread

Single parents, equal families. Help and advice on the issues that matter to lone parents.


The Hub of Hope

A directory of mental health support around the UK.

LGBT Mummies

Supporting LGBT+ women & people globally on the path to motherhood or parenthood.

Email: contact@lgbtmummies.com

Make Birth Better (Birth Trauma Support)

Email: hello@makebirthbetter.org

Maternal OCD

Peer support available, email info@maternalocd.org to

arrange

Mayah's Legacy

Supporting and empowering anyone who has experienced pregnancy loss to advocate for themselves.

Email: info@bigoutreach.org

0300 102 1596

The Motherhood Group

Dedicated to sharing and supporting the black maternal experience through peer support, projects and advocacy.

info@themotherhoodgroup.com

Motivational Mums Club

Offering Trauma, Mindfulness and Meditation sessions for Mothers and Mums to be with an NHS Mental Health Specialist, who’s also a Mother.

motivationalmumsclub@gmail.com

Music Football Fatherhood

Open conversations around fatherhood, including blogs, peer support and podcasts.

hello@musicfootballfatherhood.com

Muslim Women’s Network

Helpine: 0800 999 5786, open Mon-Fri 10am –

4pm with support offered in English, Urdu, Punjabi, Mirpuri, Putwari, Hindko,

and Bengali.

Email: info@mwnhelpline.co.uk

Online chat: www.mwnhelpline.co.uk

Text: 07415 206 936

Netmums

Netmums offer peer support via their Maternal Mental Health Drop-In

Clinic.

NHS

Contact your local GP surgery.

Call the NHS on 111

or contact a local NHS urgent mental health helpline

If you are in crisis, visit Accident & Emergency at your nearest hospital.

PANDAS

Helpline open from 9am-8pm every day – 0843 2898 401

Email support available – info@pandasfoundation.org.uk

Perinatal Wellbeing Ontario

PRENATAL, PREGNANCY AND POSTPARTUM SUPPORT & CONNECTION in Canada

info@perinatalwellbeing.ca

Petals

Petals offers free-of-charge specialist counselling to anyone who has experienced pregnancy

or baby loss.

Web: petalscharity.org/counsellingcontact/

Email: counselling@petalscharity.org

Tel: 0300 688 0068

PMH Support

Scott Mair is a consultant in paternal mental health and parent education, Peer support trainer. Dad, Husband, Army veteran.

Samaritans

Tel: 116 123

(this is a free telephone number and will not appear on the phone bill)

Web: www.samaritans.org

Email: jo@samaritans.org

Sands Charity

Emotional and practical support for anyone affected by the death of a baby.

0808 164 3332

Email: helpline@sands.org.uk

Shout

Text SHOUT to 85258 to start a confidential...

  continue reading

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