#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being jealous anymore, competitiveness and enoughness, finding good

The Pathless Path with Paul Millerd

Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world's first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it's just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids.
Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift.

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• Downshift
• Steve's website
• Steve's Twitter
• Matt's Twitter
• Matt's blog — Game of One
• Matt's blog — Build in Climate
• Downshift on Twitter

⌛TIMESTAMPS

• (00:00) - Intro
• (03:14) - The scripts that Steve & Matt grew up with
• (06:00) - Slowing down, deprogramming and unlearning
• (12:52) - The cocoon stage
• (15:05) - Deciding to quit
• (19:25) - Learning from others on the path and having children
• (26:18) - Trust
• (29:29) - Matt's sabbatical, finding good work
• (35:26) - No jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness
• (39:36) - Matt's apprenticeship with Steve
• (48:45) - Putting yourself in a place where it's easy to help you
• (52:43) - Downshift & Ambition
• (01:03:14) - Marriage & Family
• (01:11:02) - Reframing money, skiing and oatmeal
• (01:17:23) - Launching decelerator
• (01:21:34) - Closing remarks

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